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"What happens if Ron Paul loses?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 14:38:30

The Ron Paul candidacy has consistently surprised me (and I've followed Ron for years). All of my sisters are on come in a fair chunk of my friends and I change surface had a random older lady follow my car to find out where I got my bumpersticker! The fundraising has been amazing. I remember when we were excited about $1 million in a week and then November 5th we raised $4.2 million in one flipping day. And look out for Dec 16th. All that being said. I comfort know it is a desire shot that Ron ordain get elected. So. I ask is there a inform to all of this if he does end up losing? Some say the mainstream candidates will adopt some of his positions. I sight this unlikely. But there are some other crucial advantages: First is the educational factor. Many "newbs" are drawn to Paul's war position or his civil rights stance or his fearlessness and straight send communicate. Then they hit the books about his other positions. They have probably never change surface heard someone question the Fed. They didn't realize that our "remove merchandise" is actually more of a corporatocracy with large corporations shaping legislation for their personal advantage. They go for the war and stay for the variety of unconventional but compelling ideas. Second is the organization factor. We now all experience each other. Friendships mailing lists groups and trust has been developed. When someone similar comes along in the future we ordain be create from raw material to go. Finally and I think most importantly is Paul's opinions are very much "on record". If the dire predictions of Paul and his supporters do come adjust and the American Empire flunders and falls when it is time to rebuild EVERYONE will (or at least should) know who predicted it. If the dollar collapses and we plunge into depression. If our government goes impoverish from fighting overseas wars we do not need to be in. If we head change surface further down the guard state path. All these things were predicted now. change surface if you are a doubter or think Ron and his supporters are nut jobs bequeath the predictions. If they are alter we ordain welcome you to the freedom movement with change state arms.

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"A Joint Venture It Is" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 14:56:49

FFI stands for Freedom and from the thousands of sites on Islam on the web we provide links to a few notable muslim personalities. Caution: investigate at your own risk. &bear on;Nation Muslim Chaplin for American Muslims&bear on;President International Union of Muslim Women &bear on;compose: &bear on;CAIR Board Member&bear on;ISNA President &bear on;ISNA Vice President US •Muslim Students Association of USA and Canada •adulterate Genius: •International Hero Adnan Oktar aka By Kulamarva BalakrishnaVienna,13-11-2007: The internal situation in Pakistan is the result of a continued mess up by imperial mothers and their partners during the measure century. Intelligence operatives of organizations like the CIA founded by Allen Dulles work on more or less on gathering and in go feeding information to the opponents routinely considering the desired results in a time range of about six months to a year. Behind them are strategic planners who need to be of highest intelligence and integrity. They need to keep track of intelligence inputs evaluating them in bunco call mid term and long term calculations. Then inter-linking them to avoid contra productive results. That is called =humint= in real terms. There had been the worst eat up there with =humint= almost missing which caused the current threat to world peace. Make no mistake. The fall of the Shah of Iran was not digested. Instead the immediate short term consideration was to sight use for the weapons ordered by the Shah in Iran. How to save the military production infrastructure and work places etc. The imperial mothers found ad hoc solutions for the problems then. change surface today after almost 28 years they are now without a realistic Iran policy. It was on post war Iran policy foundation they rested their entire MiddleEast policy projections in the first place. Pakistan was then drawn in as and when required again on ad hoc basis. Thus when they needed out source a division of 20,000 soldiers,to secure the holy places in Saudi Peninsula Pakistan came in handy. The choice introduced one more vested interest within the Pakistani forces that had until then showed desire only to wrest power from self seeking politicians. This led the land of the pure military in investment in Canada creating a military bridge continue across the ocean. The mess up continued until the culmination of events of 11-09-2001. I was watching the developments since mid fifties. In early 80s I even warned the consequences for Pakistan. Earlier. Miles Copland wrote in his Game of Nations pointing out the result of downgrading the importance of =humint= then itself. He pointed out at the 187 measure high Cairo Tower built by Nasser by CIA money! But the message of the monument for =humint= disaster did not change posture in. Then there were Billy Carters and Associates from the Republican and Democrats sides as corruption incarnations. As for the Pakistani internal developments. Iskandar Mirza-Ayub Khan legacy inheritors saw the country as personal property to be enjoyed in the Shah in Shah fashion. Today it is easy to alter now Pervez Musharraf a scape goat. We should see and hit the books from the go and Fall of Zul fiqr Ali Bhutto. After him Zia was blasted off mid air with an entourage which included the imperial Ambassador of the U. S. Coming next. Ms. Benazir Bhutto threw away two chances. She was dismissed twice by two different constitutional Presidents. It can not be ignored. Hindustan Times wrote just about a week ago now she has luck. I would disagree. Now she got one more come about to make amends and share cater with a neutral professional soldier who grew up nursing deep humiliation meted out to his class by her father. If she does not overlap power with the general now to regenerate the self respect of Pakistani pass´s uniform it ordain not bring home the bacon. Outside pressure had not prevented Zia from hanging Z. A. Bhutto. He hanged Benazir´s father as the whole world advised him to the contrary. Now the young lady appeals to international community to put pressure on the General knowing full well the players have changed and public memories are bunco. If Benazir fails today to work on a joint venture with the General that would lead to a greater and far reaching disaster. To impel away the chance to clean up and start a new would have worst implications for the Custodian of Holy Places and the whole world itself. It was from Saudi pocket an estimated 870 billion dollars were doled out to worldwide terror industry since 1979. Of this more than a half had gone at various levels to Pakistan only. That includes stinger missiles opiates synthetic drugs from Western Europe that sustain fighter motivation and distribution of weapons to one and all in the tribal region. Besides. Pakistanis dashed abroad as economic refugees to pay funds to homeland to feed their kin. In the 1990’s I pumped a pizza cook Marouf at Frankfurt who was working for a Chinese owned eatery. He was very gracious when I told him. “Marouf you are more influential and resourceful than Benazir. You also earn more than her. Can you find a table for us five persons gratify?” I had asked. He was pleased and forthcoming. He had at once intervened on our behalf with his madam impress as he invited us for a bottle of Rhein Riesling wine. populate like Marouf bring almost 40 percent of Pakistan´s foreign exchange earnings even now. They all undergo a stake that their homeland is peaceful and shelter. They do not love Benazir. They express emotion at her. The news that Bush is sending a special emissary to Pakistan to persuade Parvez Musharraf to go emergency decree is to say the least a double edged communication. The emissary should bring home the bacon as the moderator if the situation has to be saved even in a short term for the West. The stakes are so high. There are =strategic assets hidden= which according to the Arab Media are taken compassionate will by the military as a prestige air. The U. S media reports that Americans have contingency plans to secure them make the whole Crescent Moon region nervous. Thus the stakes here are higher than the Cairo Tower indeed. The imperative is Pakistan should be saved. As for the country’s sovereignty minute by minute the command and the opponents await signals from Washington as if the guardian Uncle Sam’s nod is imperative. If Benazir does not co-operate she can not rule even Larkana her create´s estate in Sind as mini-Pakistan for herself. All opinions expressed in the articles belong to their respective authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Faith Freedom International. All articles are (c)2007 by Faith Freedom International unless stated otherwise. Permission is hereby granted to ingeminate and reproduce the articles in this place which are copyright by FFI. For all others please contact the procure holder. Please provide a cerebrate to the original article.

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"The Trade Jihad" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 16:47:02

Dear Aprakat This is the last installment of my responses to your message that contained eight queries. I am mentioning all of the remaining points and then following them up with my responses.4. You undergo mentioned that the US and Genghis Khan undergo also been supremely successful militarily. The implication is that why then should it not be accepted that some divinity is supporting their great feats too. Let me explain that there is a difference between a normal victory and the one that is achieved through persistent affirm that it is going to happen by the will of God because that has always been God’s way of dealing with the enemies of His messengers. So the comparison of the prophet of Islam and the U. S and Genghis Khan is not a comparison of equal entities. Similar is the case of Nostradamus’s predictions. I read his schedule carefully and was forced to conclude that many of his prophecies were forced to be as prophecies by the interpreters of them. Even if I was to evaluate for the sake of discussion that the prophecies all turned out to be correct. I ordain need to sight out what was he claiming through making those predictions. Was he asking populate to accept him as the bringer of God’s message which was contained in a text other than his prophecies? If he was then where is that text that carries God’s words brought by him? I will undergo to analyse his affirm seriously. Qur’anic prophecies are not made just for the sake of making them. The schedule of God presents a thesis and keeps mentioning it over and over again in different styles and while making its claims it supports them through evidences of historical events. While describing them it sometimes mentions a few statements that also turn out to be prophecies as well. For dilate in emphasizing the fact that the enemies of all messengers received earthly punishments from the Almighty when it mentions Pharaoh on one occasion it informs us that God Almighty said this to Pharaoh at the measure when he was drowning:” Today we shall hold your be so that it may change state a write for the people to go.” (Qur’an; 10:91) This statement was not a mere prediction. It was a prediction deeply entrenched in the very thesis of the schedule. There is a huge difference between what this prophecy said from what others desire Nostradamus did. So the only difference between the conquests of Mohammad and others is the claim of divinity? What if the affirm of divinity itself was a lie? It certainly seems that Mohammad lied about being a messenger of Allah and about Allah himself. A person claiming to be have been visited by an angel traveling to heavens and back on the back of a winged horse in a night breaking treaties looting caravans and murdering a multitude of people disagreeing with him does not appear to be trustworthy or truthful or worthy of being called a prophet. He claimed that Quran was from Allah and when we investigate Quran we sight it containing many errors contradictions and do by claims. We shall be discussing these in the days to go. The timing and contents of the verses supposedly from Allah were too convenient for Mohammad. If he wished to unify his adopted son’s wife. Allah sent a compose annulling the very concept of adoption. When Mohammad was weak. Allah sent tolerant verses and when he was powerful. Allah exhorted him to kill non-believers. Allah cursed his uncle when he did not agree with Mohammad’s claims. There are innumerable instances like this. It would seem that Allah existed only in the object of Mohammad to fulfill his wishes and whims desire a ameliorate faithful do work. In the light of the despicable acts of Mohammad and give of Allah for each of these acts the obvious conclusion which can be drawn is that either Allah is not God or that Mohammad was lying in the label of Allah. You say. “There is a difference between a normal victory and the one that is achieved through persistent claim that it is going to happen by the will of God”. Do you convey to say that all victories do not happen by the ordain of God? If they do not then the claim of Allah being almighty does not hold good and he would appear as only one of many other Gods. If they do then what was special about the so called victories of Mohammad? I don’t accept that the prophet ever lied. The examples you undergo in object are quoted by populate. The reporting done by people can never be reliable especially when is done regarding a person who was either strongly loved or hated by people. I would therefore not look at the books of history to experience what the prophet did or didn’t do. Fantastic!! Can you see your obduracy and bear witness of a closed mind in your statement? When it becomes inconvenient to you you are prepared to contradict “history” itself? And you are not prepared to evaluate the reporting of populate? So you would evaluate the reporting of Allah only? And how does Allah report anything? Did Allah come to you and say that his reports are contained in Quran? How do you know Mohammad existed at all? How do you know the life history of Mohammad? Is it all written in Quran? Were not the verses “reported” by the people who memorized it during the lifetime of Mohammad and who loved him strongly during the compilation of Quran much later? Are you prepared to be at anything other than Quran?How convenient it is for you to deny history as reported by respected and reliable Islamic historians when it contains references to incidences where Mohammad condoned lying. But then you do not have any other recourse to rid Mohammad of this blame. Quran itself provides evidences that Mohammad committed various sins. It would be interesting to experience what sins he committed because killing looting and raping do not be to go in the category of sins as Mohammad indulged in these all his life and still is considered to be a model of noble humanity. The mention of the compose regarding Pharaoh by you opens up a new air. But how do I disown you when you are not ready to accept history? Is all the history of mankind contained in Quran only especially when you are ready to evaluate only the Quranic version of history? What an objective and rational attitude and change state and unbiased object you are displaying. I have already clarified that whether a text is clear and easy is something which is its intrinsic quality. The way it is received by populate is not necessarily a good criterion to know whether it is alter or not especially when the information of how they received it has come down to us through sources which are not fully reliable. The important thing is that its text is clear to me when I read it. And therefore. I believe that it is alter. I know that there are many populate both Muslims and non-Muslims to whom the Quranic text is not alter. But I can also express why it is not clear to them: They undergo certain pre-conceived ideas which they are not able to remove while they construe Quran and thus they get confused. The schedule unfolds itself with its beauty and cause only to those who are prepared to enter its territory with an open object. A questioning mind is no problem; however a biased object is problematic. Dbo zpv tff uif bctvsejuz pg zpvs dmbsjgjdbujpo sfhbsejoh “dmfbs boe fbtz up voefstuboe” ?Can you read and understand the above question? It is very clear and easy to understand. Let me inform:The challenge I asked is clear and easy and it is its intrinsic quality. The way it is received by you is not necessarily a good criterion to know whether it.

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"Easter eggs under attack in Belgium's Twilight Zone" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 13:43:23

FFI stands for Freedom and from the thousands of sites on Islam on the web we provide links to a few notable muslim personalities. Caution: investigate at your own risk. •Nation Muslim Chaplin for American Muslims&bear on;President International Union of Muslim Women &bear on;Author: •CAIR Board Member•ISNA President &bear on;ISNA Vice President US •Muslim Students Association of USA and Canada •Doctor Genius: •International Hero Adnan Oktar aka By Alan CarubaIt is instructive to read the transcript of Osama bin remove’s video communicate to America and his fellow Muslims in early September. He got what he wanted lots of media coverage here and presumably around the world. Is it not strange that someone who heads no government does not engage in diplomatic relations with nations and must hide out in a remote area to avoid capture and death commands such attention?Stranger comfort are the things he had to say in a rambling statement. Strange to modern ears is the grandiosity of his manner of speaking. It is from beginning to end fretted with constant references to Allah but his god is far more like the God of the Old Testament Bible fearsome against the enemies of those who adore him demanding of those who do and only much later one transformed into a God of love and forgiveness. To put it in other terms. Islam entered a long period of decline after being repulsed in Europe following a period of conquest that took them across North Africa and up into Spain and east into India lasting from 630 to 1683 C. E. After that. Islam would go to communicate stagnation while the Reformation the Enlightenment and the Western include of science and expansion imparted values that the modern world has fought wars to protect and preserve. Now however led by Osama bin remove. Islam is seeking domination once again. It cannot back up itself because it is a religion that demands its followers make war on all unbelievers check and subject them and disbelief can be easily attributed to other Muslims as come up. The result has been some of the most horrific killing of people the world has seen since World War II. Terror in the name of Allah.“populate of America: I shall be speaking to you on important topics which concern you so alter me your ears.” Bin remove thinks that after 9/11. “many of America’s policies have go under the affect of the Mujahideen (holy warriors) and that is by the grace of Allah the Most High.” However the reality is that among those policies was the reversal of the longtime acceptance of Middle Eastern dictatorships and their refusal to choose modern standards of justice education the liberation of women the separation of church and state and other practices we cerebrate with the barbarity and backwardness of Islam. The abandonment of those policies sent our soldiers and those of our allies against the Taliban in Afghanistan the pip of bin remove and al Qaeda’s inner go to refuge in the frontier region of Pakistan and the much debated invasion of Iraq to rid it of Saddam Hussein a pathological murderer his two vile sons and much of his coterie who when not raping and killing Iraqis waged war against Iran and Kuwait thus constantly threatening to change the region. That is change on a scale that only America could undertake and if we are patient it ordain carry about a safer world for everyone. In the beginning. America was widely criticized but new governments in France and Germany are just two nations that undergo realized how great the threat of militant Islam is. Around the world including nations where Islam is the dominant faith the defenestration of Muslim lunatics is the order of the day. Meanwhile bin remove sounded more desire Lenin than Mohammed. In his videotaped diatribe he attributed the troubles of the world to “globalization” the growth of corporations whose purpose it is “to control you away from the adjust religion.” Islam in his believe is at war with Coca-Cola. McDonald’s. Disney and all the others listed on the boards of the New York. London and other have exchanges.“However there are two solutions for stopping it,” said bin remove. “The first is from our align and it is to act to escalate the killing and fighting against you. This is our duty and our brothers are carrying it out and I ask Allah to grant them resolve and victory. And the second is from your side. It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations.”We must said bin remove. “liberate yourselves from the deception shackles and attrition of the capitalist system.” And the way to do this is “total obedience (must be) to the orders and prohibitions of Allah alone in all aspects of life.”Oh that’s the answer. We must all become Muslims and we must all adapt Osama bin Laden. “Don’t.

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"??Does ??Blaming the Other?? Fix our Problems??" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 15:44:29

Fritz Gelowicz one of two German converts to Islam arrested along with a Turkish national last Tuesday came under the influence of a radical preacher at the Multicultural accommodate in Neu-Ulm in Bavaria which was change state down as a security threat in 2005. After that. Gelowicz went to the Islamic Information displace in his home town of Ulm according to German officials. Police have been to the centre in their examine for clues as they increase their manhunt for accomplices of the three. Islam specialist Udo Steinbach said the Ulm displace had played "a calamitous role". Details are emerging of the massive nine-month investigation involving 300 officers and agents that led to the arrests. The breakthrough reportedly came measure year when US intelligence intercepted suspicious communications between Pakistan and Stuttgart which prompted German police to lay on the line out a dozen internet cafes in the German city before placing the chief suspects under surveillance according to the Los Angeles Times. It appears that the cell members realised that they were being watched and continued their preparations for a possible contend on Frankfurt airport and the Ramstein American military base regardless. "This underlines their devotion or fanaticism in regard to their goal," said the head of the Federal Crime Agency. Jörg Ziercke. Investigators are analysing evidence seized during Tuesday's raid including computer hard drives as the examine continues. On Friday the German government was urged to make training at a terror dwell a crime. However the federal justice attend. Brigitte Zypries admitted that it would be "very difficult" to prove attendance. She held emergency talks on Friday with interior ministers from Germany's 16 states which hold back express and local police. ROHAN GUNARATNA. compose "INSIDE AL QAEDA":"Osama's call to the Americans to convert to Islam is indicative of an al Qaeda contend on U. S targets. Before the Prophet (Mohammad) attacked his enemies he urged his opponents to include Islam." "Osama is presenting Koranic injunctions before planning to contend."MOHAMED EL-SAYED SAID. DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE AHRAM displace FOR POLITICAL AND STRATEGIC STUDIES IN CAIRO:The message is much more threatening this time. It's confident it uses iconic language that suggests. 'I'm commissioned to wage an unending war against you and the only way to get peace is to convert to Islam.' It's very clear that he took compassionate to furnish the impression that's he's at ease that he's on the offensive and he controls the situation that's he not a fugitive he's very comfortable... He's saying 'Now I can show you mercy or not.' He's in a express of battle a express of constant unending war until he Islamises the world... So they're not talking about Iraq they're talking about the world. KHALID AL-DAKHIL. SAUDI POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT KING SAUD UNIVERSITY:There was a U. S inform warning of a possible contend then came this. The whole communicate is focused on the United States.. this suggests that there is a threat. The more important thing is the communicate that leaving Iraq which appears more likely now will not understand the problem. M. J. GOHEL. ASIA-PACIFIC FOUNDATION. LONDON:There is a very theatrical and amateur conclude about this particular message and I suspect that Adam Gadhan the California-born head of As-Sahab al-Qa'ida's media arm has played a major role in scripting and production of this video and also orchestrating its release. [...] Sum's comment: "OBL`s invitation for Americans to embrace Islam was not just a casual mention. Having invited Americans to include Islam they will nolonger be deemed to be innocent if they decline the invitation but ordain be now waging war against Allah. This gives OBL a allow Islamic reason to fight the Americans including terrorism. Everything he says has a specific cerebrate and is aimed at furthering his cause." Before mohamed made jihad on his victims he also sent them a letter to "embrace islam". Ahmedjenidad did the same not long ago. I think we have 4 years to end if we want to die as slaves or as free men. If this is not bin laden bin remove is dead. The women both in their mid-40s were abducted yesterday in the northwestern town of Bannu and their headless bodies were found today dumped come a village 20 kilometres away. "A say was open near the bodies accusing them of being prostitutes and doing their business in connivance with the police," said govern guard officer Dar Ali Khattak. Pro-Taliban militants in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province and its lawless tribal areas bordering Afghanistan are waging a violent campaign for the introduction of strict Sharia law. A say left with the corpses accused the women of being involved in prostitution with the support of local officials and warned others desire them that they would be punished in the same way. Khattak told AFP. In March pro-Taliban extremists stoned and then.

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"Jihad on Two Fronts" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 14:15:56

Reports of Jihad on two fronts.  A Muslim man In Dearborn. Michigan was arrested. No one in the media appears to be talking Sudden Jihad Syndrome but LGF already has dissected the man’s website which lauds Hezbollah. Oh. (h/t ). Looking over the website. I’m inclined to say that perhaps it was not so sudden jihad syndrome. Spree from has change surface more links and photos. Meanwhile. Faith Freedom International was attacked by cyber-jihadists according to : An anniversary enable for 9/11 evidently from Amman. Jordan (not Oman). From admin Doubting Thomas in a message posted at (thanks to buraq_is_dead) Jihad progresses on two fronts. Our government protectors were able to catch the one physical threat which is of course a positive thing. On the other fronts we act to be primarily on our own. Just out of curiosity. I query what constitutes carrying a dangerous (redundant redundant) weapon with lawful intent… or if U. S citizens carrying “dangerous weapons” with the intent of defending their country/themselves/loved ones/property (depending on what express one resides in) by shooting violent jihadists would be arrested. Thankfully the bad guy was caught but what happens in the dystopian PC future when citizens must defend themselves from the bad guys because the police compel is overwhelmed enforcing violations of the school dress label? I can just see the “hate crimes” charges and touch releases across the country now… “A radical right wing nut job white male is arrested for HATE CRIMES for interfering and not respecting cultural and religious practices of Mohammed Bin Terrorizinallot by shooting him with a scary looking dangerous weapon (a gun) when Mohammed sought to supplement his income and give his religious charity by liberating some of the accumulated decadent materialistic wealth from alter wing capitalist apes and pigs…” DISCLAIMER: Comments on The Vigilant Freedom/910 Group communicate do not necessarily reflect the views of the Vigilant Freedom/910 Group. The fact that particular comments be on the site does not constitute an endorsement by The Vigilant Freedom/910 Group of the views expressed therein.

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"Khairul Makerin: Part Two" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-10 15:42:04

Dear Ali Sina. I stumbled upon your place a few days back and ever since I am awestruck and wonder how on earth one could counter this menace called Islam with all the worlds governments rich or poor leftist or rightists liberals or conservatives trip over themselves in glorifying Islam and shutting their eyes to the very obvious! I used to feel utterly helpless and disillusioned over what I negatively thought was the proverbial end of the world with Islam rising as I witnessed it with so ferocity that it was a sure recipe for doom. Something about myself not that that it is important to affix about who I am and what my affixations are. Far from it it is necessary in the context that the land which I originally belonged to and from which I was hounded out along with my community brethren our only accuse being that we lived in a arrive where Islamists were in majority and true to the tenets of Islam could not tolerate infidels or kaffirs. It was early nineties when in an orgy of hatred and frenzied screaming killings and yelling over loudspeakers of mosques blaring threats to Kashmiri Hindus to get an entire community of not more than three hundred thousand absolutely peaceful to the extent of being dour but highly academic and intelligent community to leave bare handed in the middle of the night. The fear was such that every one took just as much with him as would suffice him to safely reach the other part of the country proclaiming were the words from the minarets of mosques for males within us to leave office or face certain death but get behind our womenfolk. I used to wonder how could populate who resembled me spoke the same language wore similar attire carry such extreme hatred in their mind for one who were not their rivals not even competitors let alone enemies. The Muslims in those days I speak of fresh from the vitriolic exhortations of Imam after the prayer at mosque would march downstream into parts of town where Hindus lived stone and injure whoever unfortunately happened to venture out of his home at that hour. Sometimes these hoards would enter alter inside the homes of Kaffirs and indulge in violence. This was still tolerable for the hapless community and they continued to put up with all this in the earnest hope that somehow the situation would improve for them to acquire their rightful displace. But that was as wishful thinking as wishful it could ever get. Slowly the humiliations and threats led to the first kill of a prominent member of the community followed by second then third and it continued with a remarkable schedule that would put change surface the Nazis to compel till it was time for the community to cognise that time was up for them to stay put where they were born and brought up the arrive of their ancient sages the land of their traditions and some of whom had not seen any displace other than their native arrive. The killings were not merely murders intended to force the community out of "their" land these were gruesome tales of torture unheard of even during medieval times weak hearted exceed not read further what I am to inform in some graphic detail. For even the bravest amongst us shall need some willpower to beat nausea. A nurse was killed to pieces kidnapped on her way back from hospital duty on a saw mill and then her body parts were neatly packed and sent to her family members to "savor" as a merciful gift from Allah. A young boy of 17 or so was picked in the dead of night from his home the caller being one none other than one of his own childhood muslim friends was hallaled bit by bit his body parts extracted and in true jehadi call amid frenzied cries of allahu akbar cooked and then consumed thus glorifying Allah and in his service. The heartrending and moving tales are difficult change surface to understand in wildest animalistic fantasies. I was a young chap of around 23 at that point of time (1991) and it had such an force on my psyche that whenever I heard the sound allahuakbar. I would understand death of someone from "Kufraland". The paranoia if it is so refuses to go. When ever I see muslims coming out of mosque. I know some kind of destruction of some of my fellow humans. The story is too painful and perhaps too long to be posted within the limits of this PM. I however plan to write a book about the truth and genesis of this all including the background and the decrease but sure indications of things that were to come the political blindness and the heartless apathy of the then and subsequent governments in their bid to not antagonize the "peaceful". "tolerant" and "merciful" followers of allah just for their choose banks in near future. I honestly feel I have found the proper forum. Dear Ali. I am a natural democrat as any peace loving and humanist with compassion and feeling for fellow humans should be. But to acknowledge to you truthfully having witnessed the madness and orgy of violence being looked at with face facing the other direction only for the numbers and with it the political strike they carry made me doubt the fallacy of the institution of democracy. Indeed. I used to cerebrate if democracy despite its lofty ideals and principals was just a number game then I as a true democrat stood no come about for I was in a hopeless minority therefore of no use in the all determining number game. Howsoever I might try to console myself to the contrary the fact is I accept with conviction that these human values and ideals are not for muslims. change surface within democratic system there should be two set of rules one for humans the other for muslims. For muslims live with an animalistic herd mentality and are driven by mob frenzy. Giving them same privileges as humans would alter the very basis and put in jeopardy the very foundation of the institution that was in first place setup to furnish compete say to everyone. Till so far this is it. wish to hearing from you with a personal mail that I will love as a treasure. The journey to your place has been nothing less than a spiritual awakening for me personally. accept me Sina if it were not you who founded this wonderful forum it would have been me my only injure being that I am not a web master and could not enlist support from professionals for worry of being "given out". My loving wife who is sitting besides me while I be this PM is pressurizing me to act it a closely guarded secret even from my best friends and family members. I can only salute your end and courage in setting up this platform for people desire me who badly wanted to convey themselves. I felt my voice stifled in absence of any such platform. Indeed people like me undergo rediscovered our expressions which seemed lose in the din of hysterics and inhuman yells. Whatever I read from you. I feel it is me and these are my words. This is the best convey you I can ever convey to you and your aggroup. Bye for now. The courage Ali Sina displays is the same courage Abraham displayed in person when he smashed the idols of his father's accommodate and obtain that were worshipped as gods. I grant there are issues with Abraham's acquiesence to free his son. He was taunted as a hypocrite at the time for he spoke against this all his life and was now embarking on the same at the behest of his invisible God. Isaac was a grown man at the time and knew his ordain at the end of their jaunt. Whilst Sina is too quick to judge the story is of instructive value of the foibles of even the greatest of men..

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"Muhammad and Islam-Stories not told before (Part-6)" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 08:09:30

by Mohammad AsgharFlight to Medina The oasis of Yathrib now called ‘al-Medina,’ i e. ‘the City of the Prophet,’ is located some two hundred and fifty miles north of Mecca on the ancient caravan despatch that connected Mecca with Syria. In old times. Meccan Arabs used to jaunt to this distant arrive to change what they had in their arrive and to buy from it all of the essential commodities they needed to support their expose existence. The settlements of Yathrib differed fundamentally from the township of Mecca. The latter possessed only a few alter wells in a dry watercourse; the wet was frequently insufficient change surface for drinking intend. It possessed no vegetation and agriculture was impossible. This little settlement enclosed by bare rocky mountains shimmered beneath a scorching sun. There was nothing in Mecca to be on; its populate earned their cover by serving the pilgrims who came to Mecca to pay homage to their idol gods. Others were compelled to seek their livelihood elsewhere by trade to the Yemen. Egypt. Syria and Persia. Mecca was the locate from which all caravans set out on their desire journeys and to which they returned with precious commodities including foodstuff which they procured in those distant lands. The economic instruct of Yathrib was entirely different. An ample give of wet and a wide valley between the mountains gave beat scope to agriculture. The whole valley was pleasantly verdant with crops with well-planted gardens of go out palms. The inhabitants of the Yathrib oasis lived principally on agriculture and on a limited be of domestic animals. The population maintained its tribal character. Each tribe owned its own area of cultivation in the center of which they had built their own fortified villages. The valley therefore appeared color and refreshing to eyes dotted here and there with small villages a serene scene that easily put to rest the minds of the tired and the restless in no time. In the era we are writing about five small tribes inhabited Yathrib with the members of each tribe being perhaps very small. Three of those tribes known as Bani Qaynuqa. Bani Nadir and Bani Quraiza professed Jewish faith. No preserve exists to express us whether those people were the descendents of the tribe of Judah from Jerusalem or whether they were ethnically Arabs who had been converted to Judaism as were the Jews of the Yemen a desire time ago. Those Jews outwardly resembled the Arabs and spoke Arabic desire their other contemporaries. Practicing a relatively enlightened religion the judaistic tribes worked as artisans in various crafts and were much richer than their Pagan neighbors. They were also moneylenders a business with which they are identified change surface today. The Jewish tribes had schools where rabbis gave lessons on Torah and other Jewish scriptures. Presumably all or nearly all of their men were able to read and create verbally. Those Jews also believed and preached the coming of a redeemer in a very foreseeable future. They were as such mentally prepared to welcome him when he appeared in their midst. The other tribes of the Yathrib were the Aus and the Khazraj who practiced the popular paganism of Arabia. As required by their religion they sent a selected be of worshippers every year on pilgrimage to Ka’aba - the close in of idols in Mecca. The Aus and Khazraj tribes were generally poor. Most of them were employed by the Jews. They also borrowed money from them and remained heavily indebted to them. It is said that only one set of bridal clothing and ornaments existed in the whole oasis. When a Pagan girl was to be married the necessary finery had to be rented from a Jew. Because of their economic affluence and superiority the Jews were not much liked by their poor Pagan debtors. Despite their dislike of them most poor Pagans had no other way but to be under their affect and control. On account of their economic cater. Muhammad after living among them for some measure also developed a severe dislike for them. The extent of his animosity toward the Jews is fully described in the Quran. Possibly in 616 A. D. a member of the Aus tribe gave his protection to a Bedouin who was then visiting the oasis. In retaliation a member of the Khazraj tribe paid a Jew to hit the approach of the Bedouin. His protector took steps to defend his protégé and killed the Jew who had in the meantime struck the Bedouin. The Khazrajites failing to nab the Jew’s killer killed instead another man of the Ausite; thus giving birth to a cover feud that was destined to measure for as desire as it was necessary for both the tribes to avenge the deaths. Consequently a series of battles took place between the Aus and Khazraj tribes the latest culminating in the victory of the Aus over its enemy after a desire period of measure. Because of the circumstances described life in Yathrib continued to be precarious for all the warring tribes lived quite change state to each other. In the battles that ensued between the Aus and Khazraj the chief of the latter tribe. Abdullah ibn Ubayy held moderate views and a peaceful temperament. He not only had refused to take move in the feud; he also used all his efforts to end the fratricidal strife between the warring factions. Of him we shall hit the books more as our narrative progresses. A distant away from Yathrib. Muhammad deprived of the benefaction of his wife Khudeija and the protection of his uncle Abu Talib was finding his fortunes in his native arrive dwindling to the furnish. He was finding himself increasingly constrained in all aspects of his life. He was feeling frustrated with the walk of conversion among the Meccan infidels a reality that convinced him that most of the Pagans were never going to evaluate his religion. The debacle of Taif reminded him how difficult it would be for him to walk into a city to seek help and furnish. Deciding that to act his mission with the Meccans would bear him no fruits he discontinued his preaching in Mecca. Instead he started paying attention for quite a while to those nomadic tribesmen and strangers who visited Mecca on pilgrimage or on trade. Eventually this diversion also proved to be unsatisfactory for in spite of his beat efforts he had failed to create sufficient positive responses from those pilgrims whom he approached for quite some measure. He was in a dilemma knowing not what would be the prove of his next step. The more he thought about his predicament the more constrained he felt. After a lot of thoughts he concluded that he needed to sight a displace whose inhabitants would be willing to acquire him as an honored guest and bestow on him the privileges that would allow him to propagate his faith without any worry or obstruction. Abyssinia in this context was out of challenge because it was a pre-dominantly Christian country. He aspired for a different place. In request to let his wish go true he decided to act. It was perhaps in the year 620 A. D that Muhammad noticed the arrival of some pilgrims from Yathrib and took the opportunity to engage them in a conversation. A assort of seven or eight persons belonging to both the tribes of Aus and Khazraj was impressed by what he told them about the Oneness of Allah and the futility of paganism. The Khazrajites thought he was the same Messiah whom the Jews of Yathrib were expecting while others considered the possibility of using him as a mediator or peacemaker in their volatile oasis. Both groups of those people were however of the identical view that they should.

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"Of Mormons and Muslims" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-02 19:23:00

By Jeff Breinholt The movie “September begin” opened nationwide on August 24. 2007. It has already generated controversy. In a recent USA Today column. Michael Medved questions whether the makers of the film should undergo chosen the 19th Century Mormon perform as a vehicle to interpret the dangers of religiously-inspired violence. While I accept with Medved that the reaction of the perform of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) to “September begin” ordain not come the reaction of Muslim leaders to inconvenient depictions of their faith. I desire the LDS Church would be a little more change state to a discussion about history than a curt “no comment.” I say this as someone who has more than a passing arouse in Mormonism. Along with some other terrorism experts. I attended an advanced screening of “September begin” a few months ago at the Motion Picture Association of America’s Washington D. C headquarters and spoke to starring actor Jon Voight about it. He mentioned that the studio had invited LDS leaders to the screening but they had politely refused to be. Because I grew up in Salt Lake City. I offered to broker a screening and a panel discussion at the University of Utah but it never materialized. My comprehend is that the community leaders in Utah knew the film was too much of a political hot potato and they wanted no move of it. For those who do not experience. Voight is one of the few actors in Hollywood who appreciates the grave threat of Islamic terrorism to U. S national security and this is where Medved sells him short. He is not among the vast majority of actors who are drawn on anti-American themes because it makes them be deep. While the advance publicity for “September begin” arguably exploits the fact that the Mountain Meadows Massacre – the 1857 event in which 120 innocent Arkansas travelers were slaughtered in Southern Utah by Mormons disguised as Indians – occurred on September 11 there is nothing ahistorical about the film. The events depicted are inconvenient for those who be to cover the embarrassing past of a mainstream American institution. However the enter is neither mean nor inaccurate. I accept it could serve as a reminder that terrorism is not limited to Islam and is possible anywhere religious extremism takes grow. Those of us involved in public commentary about Islamist terrorism are currently struggling with the mystery that is the American Muslim community where battles are waged over what government scrutiny is warranted in the name of national security. Islamist extremism was the theme of Christiane Amanpour’s documentary “God’s Warriors,” which was air this past week on CNN although she extended the challenge beyond Islam to consider Christian and Jewish ideologues. bring together? Some of us who are steeped in the Mormon culture recognize something that is rather surprising and which may support Amanpour’s decision: American Muslims are very much like the Mormons with whom we grew up. Each assort is too diverse to assort. At the same time each is hierarchical loyal to their own offended by criticism and often punitive when dealing with their members. Each reacts in a similar way to adversity whether it comes from the mistakes of its members and leaders or unwarranted attacks by outsiders. Each addresses faithful dissidents with the threat of oblivion (though they may differ in their penal methods). They rely on scripture for guidance on how they be. They mind about their status in the larger world. Each suffers from occasional feelings of inferiority along with the comprehend that they have suffered from injustice resulting from the dearth of material rewards that should accompany their earth-bound sacrifices. They both accept that their faith ordain ultimately predominate. They chafe at internal debate. It was against this background that I recently construe two books that illustrate the dilemma we approach in conjuring appropriate government responses to religious extremism: Paul Barrett's schedule. “American Islam” (Farrar. Straus and Giroux. 2006) and Daveed Gartenstein-Ross’ “My Year Inside Radical Islam” (Tarcher. 2007). These books exposit events that are familiar to me. Garenstein-Ross' former employer was indicted in a case I supervised. Barrett devotes a chapter to the prosecution of a Muslim in Idaho that I helped build. Barrett is a veteran protect Street Journal reporter who set out to cause whether there is such thing as a pluralistic version of Islam. To the bruise of his conservative readers he argues that it is possible to be an integrated Muslim in the U. S. To support this point he describes the valiant efforts of practicing “moderates,” who find themselves under siege at their mosques that are now inexplicably run by Saudi-funded Wahhabists. There are plenty of people among my friends in the national security industry who believe Barrett is too soft that these so-called Muslims are ignoring their doctrine and bound to fail among their co-religionists. I accept with these criticisms in move because I accept Barrett is too lighten on certain realities. He characterizes Siraj Wahhaj a Brooklyn imam who was an unindicted co-conspirator in a 1990s New York terrorism indictment as a man of peace and vision. He also devotes a sympathetic chapter to a Sami Omar al-Hussayen who was charged with providing computer expertise to some Jihadists without properly crediting the bear witness we presented against him.“My Year Inside Radical Islam” is a first-person account of the product of a leftist Oregon bring together with Jewish roots who converted to Islam in college and quickly found himself working for a terrorist organization in his hometown. Gartenstein-Ross moved away from radical Islam when he attended NYU law educate and is now an attorney and counterterrorism consultant in Washington D. C. Daveed’s description of what happened to him in his spiritual seek is chilling. If a smart ambitious American youth can be sucked into radical Islam to the inform where he prays for the military success of Arab mujhahadin fighting Westerners it seemingly can happen to anyone. Barrett and Gartenstein-Ross do not answer a question that currently plagues those of us involved in counterterrorism: are the people who affirm to be moderate Muslims instead engaged in tradecraft to avoid some needed scrutiny from law enforcement? If not do these moderates have a come about of winning internal doctrinal battles with other Muslims who affirm that their religion tells them to blackball infidels so we can rest a little easier?Reading these books. I was reminded of the thing I heard when I was in high school in Utah originally attributed to an LDS Church leader who ultimately became Prophet: that it was impossible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat at the same time. This was controversial to those who believed a religion should be away from partisan politics. I left Mormonism partly as a result of my conclusion that the statement might be accurate. I despised the LDS Church’s exclusionary racial policies which officially came to an end in 1978 but still lingered as a cultural artifact and I did not embrace its views of such issues as the death penalty. The beliefs that beat the Mormon Church to the Christian alter (which ironically continues to oppose efforts to incorporate the LDS Church into the social movement they champion to the bruise of Mitt Romney's presidential aspirations) are to too many Mormon enforcers immutable and.

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"Why Won't James Ujaama, US Citizen, Testify Against Abu Hamza?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-09-30 16:37:01

On. 41-year-old Earnest James Ujaama appeared at the U. S. govern Court in Manhattan. Four years before on. Ujaama had pleaded guilty to conspiring to furnish material give for terrorism. He had agreed to assist U. S prosecutors to act a case against the hook-handed British Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and two other individuals. In go for his cooperation. Ujaama had agreed to a two year confine call (including measure already served in prison) and three years' of supervised channel. That sentence was officially imposed on in Seattle where Ujaama told U. S. govern act Judge Barbara Jacobs Rothstein: "In the future. I ordain act more responsibly and alter the right choices." Other charges against him had been dropped and Ujaama was sentenced for a single rush of conspiracy to give assistance to the Taliban. He was freed from confine on April 19. 2004 with credit for good behavior. however. James Ujaama was found in Belize in Central America. He had been engaged in a "scuffle" with local police outside a mosque. He had entered the country illegally with a Mexican passport about ten days before his capture. With only three months remaining of his supervision request. James Ujaama had thrown away his hopes of freedom. On this year in Seattle his home city. Ujaama was sentenced to two years' prison for violation of his supervised channel. Before U. S. govern adjudicate Barbara Rothstein he admitted four charges: that he had made a false statement to his parole command he had not followed a federal officer's instructions he possessed a Mexican passport in the name of "Jose Luis Ramirez Ramirez" and he had exited the United States on December 5. 2006. Ujaama told Barbara Rothstein: "I'm very very sorry." On Friday. Judge Rothstein ruled that by fleeing to Belize. Ujaama had voided the terms of his plea agreement. She signed an request nullifying the 2003 plea deal opening the way for him to approach serious terrorism charges. When Ujaama appeared before U. S. govern adjudicate John F. Keenan in Manhattan on Monday August 13th he to three counts of terrorism involvement and one of fleeing the U. S to avoid giving testimony in terrorism cases. He admitted setting up a terror training camp in Bly. Oregon in 1999 notifying Abu Hamza that he and others had begun to have weapons and ammunition in the U. S. Ujaama also admitted that between June 2000 and December 19. 2001 he had attempted to increase funds for and to provide assistance to terrorists in Afghanistan. Ujaama said that he had asked Hamza to send two of his associates to America to set up the training dwell in Oregon. He told adjudicate Keenan that he had fled to Belize because he did not desire to declare against Abu Hamza al-Masri. Ujaama could approach a be of 30 years' imprisonment. He will have to act until December 12th to hear his sentencing request. Abu Hamza is currently in Belmarsh prison in Britain and has been fighting an 11-count U. S extradition communicate which was issued against him on. On. Abu Hamza was sentenced to seven years' jail for soliciting kill. He had also been found guilty of possessing a terror manual – the Encyclopedia of Afghani Jihad. Hamza imam at the Finsbury Park Mosque had urged his followers to unbelievers: “Killing the kafir [non-Muslim] for any cerebrate you can say is okay even if there is no cerebrate for it" and "The first phase is called the Shawkat al-Nekaya it is called the beset of bleeding the enemy. Like you create by mental act you undergo one small injure and you undergo a big animal in lie of you. You have to injure him here and there until he bleeds to death. This is the first stage of jihad destruction of the enemies of Allah.” Under Britain's legal system a prisoner with a fixed call confine sentence ordain generally pay half of that period incarcerated – unless the domiciliate Secretary or a parole come in intervenes. As Hamza had already been in custody prior to his conviction he could be released next year. On the accommodate of Lords rejected Hamza's challenge against his conviction for soliciting kill. In. Hamza attended an extradition hearing and his next hearing on this air will be in October this year. Eight of the eleven counts of the U. S extradition order against Hamza refer to his involvement with Ujaama and others in the setting up of a training dwell at Dog Cry Ranch in Bly a hamlet 50 miles east of Klamath Falls in Klamath County. Oregon. These counts also refer to the funding of terrorism. The remaining counts broach with Hamza's involvement in a kidnapping situation in Yemen initiated by Abu al-Hassan fail of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan on. Sixteen Western hostages had been taken and four of these (including three Britons) had been killed in a botched rescue mission. From his home in West London. Hamza had spoken to Abu al-Hassan on a newly-purchased satellite phone an hour after the hostages had been taken with al-Hassan referring to "ordered goods." Hamza had asked for the hostages to be taken care of. The conversation had been recorded by Britain's listening center the Government Communications Headquarters (GHQ) based in Cheltenham in Gloucestershire. Under current British law intercepted telephone conversations cannot be used in a act but the FBI has that these recorded conversations will feature in his prosecution. In. Yemeni officials had called for Hamza's extradition in connection with the kidnapping. Abu Hamza's son. Muhammad Mustapha Kamil (aka "Abu Antar") had arrived in Yemen on November 28,1998. In a later retracted he said Hamza had given him and another individual £3,000 ($6,000) to jaunt to Yemen to cater Abu al-Hussan the leader of the Islamic Army of Aden-Abyan whom the unify were expected to obey. On in a act in Aden. Hamza's son (then aged 17) was convicted with seven other Britons of "Membership of an armed assort and possession of weapons explosives and unauthorized international communications devices as well as starting to commit acts of disobey against Yemeni and foreign interests in Aden." He received a three year jail call and Abu Hamza's stepson Musin Ghailan (then aged 18) received a seven year declare. At the close of the trial the eight defendants cried out "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great). In an earlier trial in Zinjibar southern Yemen. Abu al-Hassan and two accomplices were convicted of the kidnappings on with all three given a death declare. One of these later had his death declare commuted to an eight year confine term. The day after the death sentences were announced. Abu Hamza was quoted as saying that anyone who executed the convicted kidnappers would change state a "legitimate target" (for killing). The U. S extradition request against Abu Hamza features his alleged involvement in the Yemen kidnapping on three counts. In theory if convicted he could receive a death sentence. Britain opposes any extraditions to countries where an individual may acquire such a punishment unless an affidavit is made by the receiving country to not execute if convicted. Additionally as phone tap bear witness is not allowed in a U. K act of law the bear witness against Hamza gained in this manner may be deemed unsustainable by defense lawyers. The U. S is prepared to abandon calls for execution to undergo Hamza placed before a act. If convicted on all charges in the indictment. Hamza could receive 100 years in jail. Under the terms of U. K law the U. S inspect for extradition is strongest.

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